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		<title>By: Thomas Lowry&#8217;s Version of Events &#171; Bull Runnings</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-18035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Lowry&#8217;s Version of Events &#171; Bull Runnings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blogger Drew Wagenhoffer passed along the information that Dr. Thomas Lowry (see here and here) has started a WordPress site presenting his side of the whole National Archives incident. You can [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger Drew Wagenhoffer passed along the information that Dr. Thomas Lowry (see here and here) has started a WordPress site presenting his side of the whole National Archives incident. You can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Smeltzer</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Smeltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plagiarists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plagiarists.</p>
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		<title>By: The Abraham Lincoln Observer</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Abraham Lincoln Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harry: Dunno if you noticed already, but the New York Times has endorsed &quot;kerfuffle&quot; as the official characterization of the pardon scandal. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/us/29lincoln.html?_r=1&amp;src=twrhp

I think you&#039;re due congratulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry: Dunno if you noticed already, but the New York Times has endorsed &#8220;kerfuffle&#8221; as the official characterization of the pardon scandal. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/us/29lincoln.html?_r=1&#038;src=twrhp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/us/29lincoln.html?_r=1&#038;src=twrhp</a></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re due congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Smeltzer</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17897</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Smeltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a favorite quote from Stanley McChrystal:

“The way I chose to go through life is, I’m going to default to trusting people. And every once in a while you get badly burned and you have to decide whether that’s worth it, but if you don’t trust people then you go through life missing a lot.”

Seems to me there&#039;s been a lot of trust inherent in this field.  And I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a bad thing for the most part.  But if this whole controversy means anything, it&#039;s probably that the game is going to get a lot less... fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a favorite quote from Stanley McChrystal:</p>
<p>“The way I chose to go through life is, I’m going to default to trusting people. And every once in a while you get badly burned and you have to decide whether that’s worth it, but if you don’t trust people then you go through life missing a lot.”</p>
<p>Seems to me there&#8217;s been a lot of trust inherent in this field.  And I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a bad thing for the most part.  But if this whole controversy means anything, it&#8217;s probably that the game is going to get a lot less&#8230; fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri Rotov</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dimitri Rotov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harry, the NARA issues are crucial and need to be fixed. Good of you to raise them. Here we are grappling with an altered document while whole, planted forgeries that are turning up in historiographical disputes among ufologists:
&gt;&gt;In 1985, another document mentioning MJ-12 and dating to 1954 was found in a search at the National Archives. Its authenticity is also highly controversial. The documents in question are rather widely available on the Internet, for example on the FBI website, where it is concluded they are fraudulent (linked below).&lt;&lt; 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12

Authenticity is becoming a bear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, the NARA issues are crucial and need to be fixed. Good of you to raise them. Here we are grappling with an altered document while whole, planted forgeries that are turning up in historiographical disputes among ufologists:<br />
&gt;&gt;In 1985, another document mentioning MJ-12 and dating to 1954 was found in a search at the National Archives. Its authenticity is also highly controversial. The documents in question are rather widely available on the Internet, for example on the FBI website, where it is concluded they are fraudulent (linked below).&lt;&lt;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12</a></p>
<p>Authenticity is becoming a bear.</p>
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		<title>By: John Foskett</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Foskett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for Lowry&#039;s guilt, certainly there may be room for some doubt (although we&#039;re not operating in this realm with the burden of proof which applies in a criminal case). But let&#039;s say Lowry isn&#039;t the one who altered the document. The first time I saw it (Monday), I immediately was drawn to the &quot;5&quot; just from its dark appearance and it&#039;s somwhat different style. Lowry should at least have had a question about it befoere trumpeting the date in his book and elsewhere. So either he committed an incredibly unethical and unlawful act or he failed to point out that there was something possibly amiss about the document.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Lowry&#8217;s guilt, certainly there may be room for some doubt (although we&#8217;re not operating in this realm with the burden of proof which applies in a criminal case). But let&#8217;s say Lowry isn&#8217;t the one who altered the document. The first time I saw it (Monday), I immediately was drawn to the &#8220;5&#8243; just from its dark appearance and it&#8217;s somwhat different style. Lowry should at least have had a question about it befoere trumpeting the date in his book and elsewhere. So either he committed an incredibly unethical and unlawful act or he failed to point out that there was something possibly amiss about the document.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks D. Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brooks D. Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who thinks that Harry&#039;s in my doghouse should take a deep breath, because that spot of honor is currently occupied by Harold Holzer (see Harry&#039;s update at the top of this post).  This is my response, which has already appeared in several places:

Harold Holzer would like all Lincoln scholars to take the blame. Actually, it&#039;s worse: &quot;The entire historical profession should be ashamed for heralding Dr. Lowry without doing a moment’s worth of due diligence.&quot;

That&#039;s ridiculous. The entire historical profession did not herald Lowry&#039;s work. I would have no problem in saying that those scholars who were aware of the Murphy claim and accepted it as true without question might have some explaining to do, and if that includes Harold Holzer as well as his friends Frank Williams and John Y. Simon (both of whom blurbed the work in question), then Harold Holzer&#039;s welcome to speak about them.

Name names, Harold. If you feel responsible, then speak for yourself. Address those groups who had Thomas Lowry as a speaker, and look for what they have to say. Don&#039;t drag everyone else down with you -- especially those who were unaware of this &quot;find&quot; until this week]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who thinks that Harry&#8217;s in my doghouse should take a deep breath, because that spot of honor is currently occupied by Harold Holzer (see Harry&#8217;s update at the top of this post).  This is my response, which has already appeared in several places:</p>
<p>Harold Holzer would like all Lincoln scholars to take the blame. Actually, it&#8217;s worse: &#8220;The entire historical profession should be ashamed for heralding Dr. Lowry without doing a moment’s worth of due diligence.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s ridiculous. The entire historical profession did not herald Lowry&#8217;s work. I would have no problem in saying that those scholars who were aware of the Murphy claim and accepted it as true without question might have some explaining to do, and if that includes Harold Holzer as well as his friends Frank Williams and John Y. Simon (both of whom blurbed the work in question), then Harold Holzer&#8217;s welcome to speak about them.</p>
<p>Name names, Harold. If you feel responsible, then speak for yourself. Address those groups who had Thomas Lowry as a speaker, and look for what they have to say. Don&#8217;t drag everyone else down with you &#8212; especially those who were unaware of this &#8220;find&#8221; until this week</p>
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		<title>By: Asking Questions of the National Archives &#124; Crossroads</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asking Questions of the National Archives &#124; Crossroads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in Bull Runnings Harry Smeltzer shared some of his thoughts about the evolution of the Lowry affair and its implications.  Reminding readers that he had once [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Bull Runnings Harry Smeltzer shared some of his thoughts about the evolution of the Lowry affair and its implications.  Reminding readers that he had once [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Smeltzer</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Smeltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you can’t make your mind up about this&quot;

The Pittsburgh Steelers are the finest football team of the Super Bowl Era.  Other than that, there&#039;s not much about which I have made up my mind.

&quot;First, you say that the report “apparently” was a big thing (apparently assuming that because it was in the papers, everyone must have heard about it, although you admit that you did not). &quot;

You&#039;re right in the first place, wrong in the second.  Just because something is a &quot;big deal&quot; doesn&#039;t mean everyone has heard about it.  But folks around back then indicated that a big deal was made at NARA.  And no, I didn&#039;t notice it at the time, but I wasn&#039;t then and am not now a historian or a Lincoln scholar, and was significantly less &quot;into&quot; what for me is a hobby then than I am now.

&quot;Then you say it wasn’t a big deal.&quot;

No, I didn&#039;t say it wasn&#039;t a big deal, just suggested it perhaps was not if, in fact, &quot;nobody&quot; noticed.

&quot;Then you want to know how this evaded the attention of scholars,&quot; 

No, I expressed that I am shocked that it DID evade the attention of scholars.  Now such shock would be misplaced if, in fact, scholars were unaware of the announcement - keeping in mind that &quot;scholars&quot; is a large group of people, including but not limited to some historians.

&quot;while you give a nearly free pass to the NARA, where you have friends.&quot;

I do have one friend at NARA (others are e-quaintances), but he doesn&#039;t work in that building - he shares my surprise that the fraud was able to be committed and that no one caught the discrepancy with Basler.  And I don&#039;t believe I gave NARA any kind of pass.  Possible explanations of what happened are not excuses, and some might say they are indictments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can’t make your mind up about this&#8221;</p>
<p>The Pittsburgh Steelers are the finest football team of the Super Bowl Era.  Other than that, there&#8217;s not much about which I have made up my mind.</p>
<p>&#8220;First, you say that the report “apparently” was a big thing (apparently assuming that because it was in the papers, everyone must have heard about it, although you admit that you did not). &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right in the first place, wrong in the second.  Just because something is a &#8220;big deal&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean everyone has heard about it.  But folks around back then indicated that a big deal was made at NARA.  And no, I didn&#8217;t notice it at the time, but I wasn&#8217;t then and am not now a historian or a Lincoln scholar, and was significantly less &#8220;into&#8221; what for me is a hobby then than I am now.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then you say it wasn’t a big deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t say it wasn&#8217;t a big deal, just suggested it perhaps was not if, in fact, &#8220;nobody&#8221; noticed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then you want to know how this evaded the attention of scholars,&#8221; </p>
<p>No, I expressed that I am shocked that it DID evade the attention of scholars.  Now such shock would be misplaced if, in fact, scholars were unaware of the announcement &#8211; keeping in mind that &#8220;scholars&#8221; is a large group of people, including but not limited to some historians.</p>
<p>&#8220;while you give a nearly free pass to the NARA, where you have friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do have one friend at NARA (others are e-quaintances), but he doesn&#8217;t work in that building &#8211; he shares my surprise that the fraud was able to be committed and that no one caught the discrepancy with Basler.  And I don&#8217;t believe I gave NARA any kind of pass.  Possible explanations of what happened are not excuses, and some might say they are indictments.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Smeltzer</title>
		<link>http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/the-lowry-kerfuffle/#comment-17875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Smeltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, all historians are professionals.  I don&#039;t call anyone an amateur historian, just like I don&#039;t call anyone an amateur lawyer.  By that I mean professionally trained, with advanced degrees in history.  But I do sometimes attach the word professional to make the distinction for people who do that.  It&#039;s inconcsitent of me, I know.

I do take you at your word.  And I do have no reason to believe otherwise in the case in point.  However, as you have apparently taken offense, I apologize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, all historians are professionals.  I don&#8217;t call anyone an amateur historian, just like I don&#8217;t call anyone an amateur lawyer.  By that I mean professionally trained, with advanced degrees in history.  But I do sometimes attach the word professional to make the distinction for people who do that.  It&#8217;s inconcsitent of me, I know.</p>
<p>I do take you at your word.  And I do have no reason to believe otherwise in the case in point.  However, as you have apparently taken offense, I apologize.</p>
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