Comments on: Stuart’s Report…and “Zouaves”!

By: Fire Zouaves: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words « Bull Runnings

Fire Zouaves: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words « Bull Runnings — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:46:42 +0000

[...] know, I go on and on about the uniform of the 11th NY Fire Zouaves at Bull Run, including here, here, and here. To recap, despite numerous, even eyewitness accounts to the contrary, the [...]

By: Out, Damn’d Spot! Out, I Say! « Bull Runnings

Out, Damn’d Spot! Out, I Say! « Bull Runnings — Wed, 14 May 2008 01:56:43 +0000

[...] also only members of the 14th Brooklyn. As discussed several times on Bull Runnings (most notably here), the 11th New York Fire Zouaves were not wearing red pants at Bull Run. Most of their Zouave [...]

By: Harry Smeltzer

Harry Smeltzer — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:57:02 +0000

Not sure exactly what you want to know, but the NPS site for whatever battlefield you’re interested in is a good place to start. Without more info for me to go on, that’s about all I can suggest.

By: Rw Boileau

Rw Boileau — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:34:59 +0000

Harry…I am trying to find information on reenactment and the luminaries for 2008. I’m a southern Jersey boy below the Mason Dixon line and would like to attend the event.
Thanks for any help….little b.

By: Frank

Frank — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:30:31 +0000

Thats a great photo, and you can see me in it as well! I’m third from the left, the big corporal with the blanket roll! Ah the good ol days of being a Non Com! But on topic, Stuart was totally describing the 14th Brooklyn’s Uniform. I just can’t stand when they refer to the 14th as Zouaves or even worse the 84th New York! Thankfully McDowell Stepped in and fought the governor of new york state and helped the 14th Brooklyn keep their name! Needless to say the governor of New York didn’t like the 14th at first, and tried keeping them out of the war, hence the reason Lincoln called on them personally.

By: Kershaw’s Report « Bull Runnings

Kershaw’s Report « Bull Runnings — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:25:05 +0000

[...] command fought together. Kershaw wrote his report five days after the battle. But as discussed here, there’s a good bit of confusion surrounding the Zouaves of the 11th NY and the Chasseurs of the [...]

By: Mike Peters

Mike Peters — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:03:31 +0000

Harry writes:

Hey, how do you like the way I’ve been capitalizing the word Zouave?

Harry,

I like it a lot.

Mike

By: Mike Peters

Mike Peters — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:58:49 +0000

Harry,

Blackford says the unit in question was “dressed in scarlet caps and trousers, blue jackets with quantities of gold buttons, and white gaiters.” That’s a nice description of the 14th’s uniform. The classic Zouave head cover was the fez/turban. Since Blackford writes about a scarlet cap, I think this is further evidence that he was referring to the 14th Brooklyn & their kepis. There are pictures of captured 11th NY soldiers clad in the classic fez.

Mike

By: Harry Smeltzer

Harry Smeltzer — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:52 +0000

I didn't set out to make this a Zouave post, but it kind of worked out that way. I think for sure Blackford was describing the 14th Brooklyn. Stuart may have been as well. But most narratives of the battle ID the federal regiment that bore the brunt of the charge described by Stuart and Blackford as the 11th NY. There are even illustrations in Harper's Weekly of 11th NY Zouaves returned from the battlefield in full Zouave attire, whcih they were not wearing on the field. Go here. Hey, how do you like the way I've been capitalizing the word Zouave?

By: Mike Peters

Mike Peters — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:46:04 +0000

Harry,

Nice post! :)

FOr what it’s worth, I’d say that Blackford was referring to the 14th Brooklyn, a regiment I’ve seen described in more than one account as the “Brooklyn Fire Zouaves.” I guess it could be “artistic license.” We’ve talked about this before & the only Union soldiers in red pants on 21 Juky 1861, of which I’m aware, were the men of the 14th Brooklyn.

Mike